052 Parenting: For the Mother Who Needs To Have the Hard Conversations

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Jill Martin is the mother of thirteen children.  She is a pastor’s wife, writer and fitness instructor.  She encourages women through her blog and community “Strong Hearts, Strong Women.” 

She loves to help people grow.  She has “no problem talking about the elephant in the room.” Her family has been very involved in her husband’s work with the church.

“Educating and equipping people is ingrained in who we are.”


Jill and her husband had two children before entering into adoption.  They decided they would “(allow) God to be the chooser of our child.”  They wanted to be open.

The Unexpected Triple Adoption

The couple ended up with twin newborns, one needing open-heart surgery.  “They had wanted to separated the twins, at birth, and place one up for adoption and see if the other one made it.  The nurse was upset, social workers were upset, no one was in agreement, we got pulled into the picture and someone said, ‘Oh, the Martins!’ and that was the beginning of it.” 

In the bed next to the twins was another baby in the PICU that was born in the ER and before you knew it, there was three babies that was our first adoption.  It was basically triplet newborns, one needing open-heart surgery. 

We had a one year old and a two and a half year old at home.  After that, everything seemed easy. It’s not like we said, “let’s go adopt three newborns that were all prenatally exposed to drugs and alcohol and one needing open-heart surgery and make our life crazy. It’s just how the Lord worked it out.”  

God’s The Best Designer of Families

This journey helped them to feel confident that God is the best designer of families.  They trusted in Him through the process, through the experiences. The family has learned a lot about putting others first and serving.

Many of her adopted children have disabilities. The biggest common denominator is that they had poor prenatal health.  Many exposed to drugs and alcohol. 

Many people are nervous about adopting children with prenatal exposure and with special needs.  Some are afraid that they cannot handle that and try to avoid these types of adoptions.

The Martin’s have children in wheelchairs, on feeding tubes, on oxygen, kids with Down Syndrome, autism, and spina bifida.  Jill admits that she has been nervous and afraid at times, but that she don’t let that stop her.  She still does what God asks her to do. 

For the family as a whole, “The kids have experienced things many other kids have not,” Jill finds.  At the time of this interview, the family is preparing for their terminally ill son’s death.

The family “is intentionally walking that journey with your children as they watch their sibling get ready to be with Jesus.  That is a new road for us, but we are honored.  We feel privileged. We can be a part of that, and help our children to journey that in a good and honest way.”

Fitness and Stewardship 

Jill feels that stewardship goes beyond tithing. All of the parts of your life are part of stewardship. 

“It’s important for us to be the best vessel we can be, so we can be a better servant.”

Through her fitness coaching, “you might be doing a lot of pushups and squats, but I’m going to make you talk about the deep, dark stuff as well!” She says, “no matter how many push-ups you do, if you’re heart’s not right with the Lord, then you’re a hot mess and so we have to push ourselves to work on all the things.”

It’s important to be physically, emotionally and spiritually strong.  It’s not good to be deep in the Word, but “not be able to get off the couch.  How’s this good? It’s a package deal so that we can do all the things that God asks us to do.”

“I don’t want to NOT do things because I can’t, but because God said not to.” She compares taking care of your body to people who want to do mission work, but who are in a lot of debt.  If you are a good steward of your money, you don’t have that obstacle in front of you. Just like taking care of your body.

“How could I take care of all these kiddos in wheelchairs if I wasn’t taking care of myself?”

Parenting Strategies

“People always want to know ‘Do you have time to take a shower?’ I live by systems.  I love systems because they keep my brain in gear.”

There’s a lot of routine.  She uses routine systems with chores, laundry, dishes and meal-planning. “We are very intentional. We plan our menus, we plan for schooling, we plan our days, otherwise we would be like a circus around here.”

This makes it easier for the adults, but even better for the kids with developmental delays because they know what to expect.  This gives comfort to kids who have come from chaotic backgrounds.  

One thing that gives Jill comfort is that she has “let go of things.” This means she will use paper plates, and not let it get to her.  She advises giving yourself permission to let go. 

Create traditions, routines.  These are simple, little things.  That kind of structure lets kids know what to count on.  It creates a sense of home.

How Do You Deal With The “Big Stuff?”

“Be willing to talk about the hard things.  You have to make yourself do it.  You have to bring up the conversation. Know that there’s no right answer. We all love answers and kids look to parents for answers, but it’s alright to say “I don’t have the right answer. There isn’t just one answer.”

Teaching your kids to talk about the hard things is important.  You don’t have all the answers, yet still talk about these things anyway. “You don’t have to be the expert.”

The Martins are acutely aware of this now as the family transitions through the terminal illness of their son.  It has provided opportunities for the family to ask questions and to learn more about themselves and God.

“God designs your journey different from my journey.”

Also important is to recognize different personality styles: “I’m an extrovert, but she may not be.  I have to find that middle ground with her.  Tell her it’s okay if you need time to think on it and let’s plan on a time tomorrow afternoon to talk about it.” 

Help her see that it’s okay to have different personalities.  It’s good to learn personalities before things get hard. You’re more competent to wrestle the hard things because you’re not second-guessing yourself.  If we understand that we are fearfully and wonderfully made, then there is space for grace.  

Teach your kids how to cope by helping them identify their favorite activities and encouraging them to do it when times get difficult.  Help them process it and see what God is doing in their lives.

Effective Methods of Discipline

Say Less

“I’m a chatty person, so the biggest thing for me has been to learn to say less.  Sometimes they don’t need me to tell them what they did wrong, they just need to deal with it.  We tell kids what they’ve done wrong too often.”

“How Many Times Did I Tell You Not To….”

Kids are not learning how to accept responsibility for their actions when we just point out what they did wrong. They are only reacting to what we told them they did wrong.

If we want our kids to take ownership of what they’ve done, I start with, ‘Try again.’  My other famous line is ‘What happened?’

Kids want to turn it back onto the parents, so it is important that you ask them what they did.  Tell me what you did, and we’ll go from there.  It calms the parent when the parent says less, and asks the kids to tell what they have done.

“We have a few kids with behavioral problems stemming from their lives from before they were adopted.   Attachment disorder, Reactive Attachment Disorder, but at the end of the day it boils down to defiance.”

Don’t Take It Personally

The hardest thing is not to take it personally. It can easy to feel like they are being spiteful, and they maybe are, but even if they are, it’s still about them.  It’s a selfish thing.  They are immature emotionally.

“They are turning the table on you, but it’s not about you.  So, I have to remind myself of that. You also have to be consistent. They complete their restitutions (if they’ve broken something), I inspect it, and if it doesn’t meet our standards I say ‘Try again’ and ‘What can you do differently?’”

“They are looking for the loophole.  You have to be consistent and persistent. I need to be tougher than my kids’ toughness.  I need to be stubborn back, but in a healthy way. I need to do it in a way that says, ‘No, I’m the authority here and you’re not. Try again.’  Is a boss going to let you away with these things?” 

Jill explains to her kids, “I’m not doing you any favors by letting you off the hook all the time. Do what was asked of you, try again, follow directions, let me know when you’re done.  I’m training you to be an adult.” 

“This will also teach them how to respect what God asks them to do in their life.  We don’t need them to be expert loophole finders, because that will teach them to find loopholes with God.

Speed Round

What are you most excited about today?

Jill’s son is terminal and they are purposefully going through the journey.  Her kids are asking the hard questions, but it is good to see them grapple with these things as it prepares their futures as adults. 

“To see your children face these things is exciting because in the middle of the hard there’s also hope.  You see where they are going with it.” 

What is your biggest stumbling block in your relationship with God?

“When I was younger, feeling to need to know the answer all the time.  There was a blessing to it because of the pursuit.” 

“Who doesn’t love black and white things?  As I get older, I know it’s just not that way.  I stumbled in figuring out how to make more room for grace – how to accept there are many answers.

“Obviously Jesus is the only exception, but in other areas there are some gray areas.  There are David’s and Paul’s in the bible, they are very different, but both gifts in the Bible that God has made.  Being different is okay.  You are a gift to this world and the more I pursue understanding that I get over the temptation for the right answer all the time.”

What has been the best advice you’ve ever received? 

“Pursue God first in all things.  Don’t rely on someone else’s answers.  There is a temptation to ask a hundred people, but go to God.” 

“Find the answer from your relationship with God and the Bible.  When you hear other people’s advice you can weigh it against what you’ve already learned.” 

Who do you admire most, other than a biblical figure and why?

Jill most admires her husband.  The two have opposite personalities and different tactics, but their core passions are shared. 

“It’s important to remember that God made him that way just as much as God made me this way.”  Don’t allow that (difference) to be an irritation; (then) that person becomes a gift to you. This also allows you to give room for grace. 

What is your favorite book, besides the Bible, and why?

Brene Brown’s “Rising Strong”.  “It’s about getting back up.  It’s not about falling, because we all fall, it’s about getting back up and doing that in a way that’s really honest and intentional.”

What is your most effective relationship habit?

“Talking about hard stuff.  Nothing goes under the rug here.”

Parting wisdom

“With all you’re getting, get wisdom.  If you have time in the day, don’t waste it on Netflix.  Listen to podcasts, sermons, read books, music.  Things that will put life back into you.  Use your time well.  You’ll never regret reading things that build you up.”

Contact Jill:

Blog:  https://www.martinfaithandfitness.com 

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/StrongHeartsStrongWomen/

Instagram:  https://www.instagram.com/stronghearts_strongwomen/

Jill Martin
Jill Martin
Jill Martin is the mother of thirteen children with many of them with special circumstances. In this episode, Jill discusses how she manages so many responsibilities. Jill gives advice on discipline. Jill describes how she discusses the hard issues with her kids and gives encouragement and tips on how to do it.
Jill Martin is the mother of thirteen children with many of them with special circumstances. In this episode, Jill discusses how she manages so many responsibilities. Jill gives advice on discipline. Jill describes how she discusses the hard issues with her kids and gives encouragement and tips on how to do it.

040 Parenting: Protecting Your Child From Pedophiles

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Tracy Lamperti is a therapist from Brewster, Massachusetts who has been working with families for twenty-five years.  She has worked as a rape crisis counselor as well and alongside child protective services.  On today’s show she discusses how to protect your family from sexual abuse.

Early on, Tracy provided child therapy services.  During this time she found that children are a product of their environments, not a diagnosis.  It was unrealistic to place great expectations on children in therapy when changes do not occur in the family system.  Now, Tracy works more with couples to help create a healthier, more supportive environment for their families.  

Disarming the Pedophile

Pedophiles don’t want to get caught.  If you’re doing the wrong thing, and don’t want to be caught, you have to learn the skills to accomplish this.  That’s where grooming comes in. 

Levels of Grooming

Grooming is all about how the pedophile develops a relationship with the potential victim and with the victim’s family.  It is very subtle.  Many times they start with something very benign—things that won’t get the person in trouble.  

Secrets & Bonding

An example of grooming, would be keeping secrets.  They may say, “When I was a kid your age I used to dress like a superhero, I would be in the bathroom and put on a towel like a cape.  Don’t tell anybody because I would be embarrassed if anybody knew that. 

The child then identifies with the pedophile through empathy. In effect, the pedophile is bonding with the child.  It communicates that there is something special about this child.  If the child tells another adult this story, the child does not pass the test, and will likely not be further pursued by the pedophile. 

The pedophile is searching for a child that will keep secrets.  If a child keeps the secret, the pedophile will increase the level of secret-keeping.

During this time, the child has developed a bond with the pedophile and does not want the pedophile to get in trouble.  The child thinks ‘I’m the keeper of him getting in trouble or not.


Recently a teacher was charged with raping two children at a school in her area. Many ask, ‘How can this happen?” Tracy provides an example of the beginning of how a pedophile may approach touching a child.

She states that a teacher could place a pencil on the other side of a seated child and reach across the child for the pencil, brushing against the child’s chest.  If the child doesn’t say anything, then the teacher may try another physical strategy that is more invasive.  The pedophile will then continue to up the ante until they get caught or until they get their devious needs met.

A teacher may choose a child that needs extra help.  They may act like the parent’s ally.  Another example she gives is of a priest who molested children.  He had gone into these children’s homes and prayed with these families—he had their trust. 

Protecting Your Child From the Pedophile

1) Parents need to ask the right questions.  There will be times your child will be in the care of others (school, camp, babysitting, etc.) and you need to be prepared to ask questions.  (FIND THE LINK FOR THESE QUESTIONS BELOW!)

2)  Family dynamics. Sin happens in the dark.  Abuse happens in dark places where there is not openness.  Children are less likely to be open with parents when there is not open communication in the family.  What’s worse, because of the advent of internet technology, many parents are even more disconnected from their children.   If kids don’t feel comfortable, they need to be able to have these open conversations.  It starts with having conversations that aren’t as heavy.  

Parents need to be very mindful of lies of omission.  If a parent tells a child to wait to tell another parent something, it forces the child into a situation where they don’t know when and how to talk about things.  They wonder ‘when do I tell and when do I not tell?’ 

It is important that parents make a safe environment for children to discuss what has happened that day and their feelings about it.  Oftentimes, children do not feel safe to talk to their parents because they get yelled at.

Speed Round

What has been your “a-ha moment” during your work?  It is way easier to prevent trauma than it is to treat it.

What is your most effective relationship skill? Taking a breath, turning things off and gathering around and interacting with each other.  Communication without distractions.  Children need to experience family time without tension and pressure.

What are you most excited about today?  She is privileged to work with the dark places with people.  Help people work towards wholeness.

What has been your biggest stumbling block in your relationship with God? Time and distractions.  She has to keep reminding herself distractions will not help her relationship with God.  These aren’t God’s ways or what He intended for us. 

What is the best advice you’ve received? Slow down.  Remember that prayer is available to us every second of every day.  

Who do you admire the most, other than a biblical figure? Her husband.  He is good about being “present”.  A very good listener.  He sees things she can’t see.

What is your favorite book, besides the Bible, and why? Aesop’s Fables.  She really appreciates children’s stories with deeper meanings. 

Parting Wisdom

Take your time with things, slow down, look people in the eye.  Be available to people.  Try to bust distractions.  

She gives an example of how her son was into Star Wars.  Her husband would notice when something was bothering him.  Her husband would say to him,  “I feel a disruption in the force…” It became a strategy for them to have conversations about feelings.


Child Safety Forms, What To Ask The People You Have Entrusted Your Child’s Care To


Protect Your Children From Pedophiles. Learn how pedophiles groom children and the ways you can keep your child safe. Great tips from therapist specializing in sexual abuse, Tracy Lamperti.
Protect Your Children From Pedophiles. Learn how pedophiles groom children and the ways you can keep your child safe. Great tips from therapist specializing in sexual abuse, Tracy Lamperti.

037 Parenting: Build a Loving Family With Adopted Children

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Naomi Quick always knew from a young age that it was her calling to adopt children when she had a family. But for most of us it’s a difficult decision to make – perhaps you don’t feel 100% ready or that it’s too much responsibility.

On today’s show, Naomi joins us to share her journey of having four children and adopting two children with her husband. We uncover some of the gaps in the adoption process, and the right mindset to hold. Naomi Quick is a blogger, author, speaker and mother of six children. 

“Children Are a Blessing, Not a Burden”

Society too often labels having children as burdensome and trouble-makers. Be mindful that children are a blessing and the next generation of God’s tribe. Equally, Jesus is the savior – not us.

We’re not here to save children, but to give them a safe and open environment to grow and flourish. The child battles with you, not against you.

The Gaps in the Adoption Process

From Naomi’s personal experiences with adoption and supporting other parents, the adoption process often neglects the parents and the rest of the family’s own experiences – “trauma triggers trauma”.

If you feel you need to address some past traumas, it’s important to address them now so they don’t affect the adopted child and family dynamics.

For example, Naomi was a people-pleaser.  She struggled to come to terms when one of her adopted children didn’t respond to her affection. It hurt even more when they would respond to the rest of the family.

She learned to let go and overcome this behavior. She focused her energies on building an open, safe environment for the children.

In addition, important paperwork or histories of the adopted child can get lost in the bureaucratic process. This can be stressful, but always remember that the child has enough fear already – it doesn’t matter what age they are – they don’t need your fears. Focus on providing them with a loving home. 

“Embrace Your People”

Your family is your tribe. Slow down and be present with every child. Ensure they play together.

For example, Naomi has an ‘open-door policy’, where all doors are open in the house when they play, so no child is neglected and they’re in line of sight with you.

In addition, give all children equal one-to-one time with you and your husband so they can all equally connect closely with you.

Naomi describes adoption as “spiritual warfare”: as parents you’re fighting for their soul. You learn to be comfortable in difficult situations.

If you’re considering adoption, sign up to Naomi’s webinar to learn some key tools. Provided both parents agree to adopting, you’re giving children with difficult pasts a chance to grow into their full potential. 



‘Don’t Waste Your Wait: Embracing the Journey of Bringing Your Child Home’ by Naomi Quick

FREE Webinar: Foster Care & Adoption – 5 Keys to Starting the Journey Out Right

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Are You Considering Adoption? Read this first to help you understand the process, the areas in your life you need to change to prepare for adoption, and some of the things to expect. Adoptive mom and author Naomi Quick explains all these and more.
Are You Considering Adoption? Read this first to help you understand the process, the areas in your life you need to change to prepare for adoption, and some of the things to expect. Adoptive mom and author Naomi Quick explains all these and more.

033 Parenting: Why I’m Not Disappointed In My C-Section

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I have a six inch scar across my lower abdomen that reminds me of a special day that happened nearly a year ago. Every time I shower or change clothes, I have memories of that day. I walked into a prenatal visit at my OB/GYN’s office and walked out of the hospital four days later.

Although that day was a bit scary for me, I know that along with our medical team, we did the right thing. For years, I had planned on having a natural childbirth.

In fact, I thought it my best option after experiencing some medical trauma years earlier. I felt that the least amount of medical intervention the better.

I’m not disappointed in my c-section even though I spent 12 weeks in a Bradley Natural Childbirth Class that met two hours per week. That’s a lot of prep work. That’s one of the reasons why my baby and I came out of this situation for the better.

It was not wasted time. My husband and I left that class with a better understanding of childbirth. It helped us when my condition and the baby’s deteriorated.

History of PTSD

Even though I have a history of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder associated with gynecological situations, my c-section experience did not revive those old demons. Don’t get me wrong. I was frightened.

I shook like a leaf, no, more like an entire tree, while my upper body was affixed to the operating table. It was part nerves and part narcotics.

Although I’m not disappointed in my c-section, I know others are disappointed in their own. For many like me, dreams were dashed the day that natural childbirth was trumped by surgical intervention.

Some women labor for hours and feel that they’ve come a tenth of a mile shy of the entire marathon when a c-section intervenes. It is a grieving process for many women. To not honor that is to keep a woman shackled to a secret pain.

National C-Section Awareness Month

That’s why it’s important we talk about National C-Section Awareness month. April is National C-Section Awareness Month. Cesarean Awareness Month is sponsored by the International Cesarean Awareness Network. ICAN is a non profit whose mission is “to improve maternal-child health by preventing unnecessary cesareans through education, providing support for cesarean recovery, and promoting Vaginal Birth After Cesarean (VBAC).”

C-section moms all have their own individual stories. It’s good to talk them out, to process them. Unfortunately, many women feel discouraged from doing this because of judgment.

Judgment that they “didn’t really give birth” that they “took the easy way out” is furthest from the truth. C-section is really the only major surgery where the patient is expected to care for someone else after the surgery.

Unlike other surgeries where the patient is considered the patient and is cared for after the fact, a c-section results in a new life that has to be cared for by the patient. I was very blessed to have many helpful helpers after my c-section. I realize that for some women this is not the case.

As the c-section rate climbs to 1 in 3 births, remember that many women are left traumatized by their experience. Dismissals such as “just be glad you have a healthy baby” do nothing to encourage healing. This means that even women who have positive c-section experiences need to be empathetic to those who have not.

Why I'm Not Disappointed in My C-Section. For years I had planned a natural birth, but as the day approached a dramatic change of events challenged my hopes.
Why I’m Not Disappointed in My C-Section. For years I had planned a natural birth, but as the day approached a dramatic change of events challenged my hopes.

032 Marriage: The Key To a Thriving Blended Family with Willie and Rachel Scott

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A blended family is when a couple forms, and bring children from their previous families together. This undeniably brings in stress for the couple, as roles are questioned – do you replace the children’s other mother or father? How do you best treat everyone equally?

On this week’s show, we are joined by Willie and Rachel Scott, founders of Better Than Blended. With their own blended family of 7 children, they’ve learnt to focus on being Godly examples of a wife and husband, mother and father. They share with us the common barriers, and how to overcome them.


The most common challenge for women is the feeling of rejection. When you don’t get the response you want from the blended family, it’s easy to feel rejected. It can be confusing where you stand, for example being the additional mother or that you can’t replace the children’s other mother.

But you can gather strength from this barrier, through the power of an outside perspective. You’re better able to view the overall dynamic within the family and see where the tensions are, and address them in an open way.


Another pitfall is discipline, which men tend to struggle with in a blended family. When their authority is questioned, it can be a crush to their ego.

But it’s important to stick with it, and ensure that children learn morals through discipline. It shouldn’t be done for the sake of it, but for family members to learn from mistakes.

Developing open communication is key to this, by regularly reflecting over mistakes and ensuring how to best not repeat them again, it can create “short-term resistance but it’s healthy on the long-term”.

Having Fun

Willie and Rachel have learnt that adding fun and quality time between husband and wife has been instrumental to the growth of their relationship and family. They schedule in regular date nights so they can unwind and be more spontaneous – having seven children has not stopped them.

“In order to have an authentic, thriving family – you have to have that in your marriage first”

By modeling a healthy relationship to your children, they learn to model such relationships with their future partners. Open communication, and being Godly examples to one another, is the key to thriving blended family. The more you practice this open dynamic, the quicker you grow and address future stumbling blocks.


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Willie and Rachel Scott, founders of Better Than Blended
Willie and Rachel Scott, founders of Better Than Blended
Can my step-family thrive? The key to growing a healthy, vibrant blended family from Relationship Helpers interview with Willie & Rachel Scott. #betterthanblended
Can my step-family thrive? The key to growing a healthy, vibrant blended family from Relationship Helpers interview with Willie & Rachel Scott. #betterthanblended